2 Things I’m Trying to FIX My Pull Through! [Backhand Ramblings]

so I just got home from the most miserable fieldwork session that I've literally ever had this is nuts I was planning on going out today and talking about the two changes that I'm thinking about Q wise to fix one last major flaw in my form and that flaw causes a lot of problems and it's not that my form will be perfect after I fix this it's that it's the last major overhaul that I feel like I need to do before I can just start to tweak things because my body still hasn't felt the right positions now forem and disc golf isn't everything to scoring well but I think if you want to throw farther if you want to throw more consistently and if you have goals at getting to the highest levels of our sport like I do where I'm trying to get a tour card within the next few years you need at least good enough form that you can have big Power which for me is a 500t golf line we can argue about that all day but I think that that's what you should at least be striving for to Future proof your game if you want to get to the Pro Tour and having good enough form will help you to be consistent enough that you can hit the lines hit the Angles and throw from Awkward positioning because my old form was super wide I would spread my legs out way too much and that would create a very unstable base that you could just tip over so if I have to get in an awkward runup it's not really going to work now a lot of these things we talked about with Drew Gibson in my backhand boot camp series which is seven videos here on the channel but that was one week which gave me a really good jump start for the off season which luckily there's another 2 and 1/2 months of at least and I was trying to get my form to have all the overhauls done by December but really not a big deal I have literally the rest of my career to figure my form out and so let's talk about the last thing that I feel like I need to fix and then the C two cute that helped me a little bit today and then a couple other things that I discover while I was out there and you'll see why it was so miserable now you guys might know that Ganon bur is a friend of the channel he's a major winner one of the top players in our Sport and whenever we talk about form things cuz he is a big time form nerd he would always point out from the very first text that we had about it how I needed to pull through on anheiser right here and I don't think the anheiser is the most important thing he still tells me that I need to continue to do it and I'm working towards it but the reason why he says that is because of a position that my arm gets get into when I'm fully reached back and instead of just being like this which is the most comfortable position I my body somehow forces me to get to here which is strain my elbow hyperextends I externally rotate my shoulder and now I'm in this weird position which means that when I pull through I have to get back into this position right here into the pocket which I am able to do but it means that the path of the disc shout out glitch goes from this where you can see the stamp and then it has to if you watch how the Flight of the disc goes it's down and then it ejects back out and let's take a quick look at some videos to kind of exemplify this I'll even go to one that was like 2 weeks ago I hav't been able to work on my form stuff for the past like week and a half been a lot of content focused but a lot of form content is going to be coming out soon I even got the tech disc so we'll be taking a look at this probably tomorrow or the next day here's a quick video I was out filming trying to do like a little training round and we're going to see kind of what I'm talking about I'm trying to focus on fixing it here much better much lower you can see the stamp is still kind of facing us we want to be able to see the bottom side of the disc there but the timing is not bad I'm still reaching out still reaching out a little early like my foot i' would love for that to be planted more but watch how the disc comes up goes back down and then comes back up this is actually better than it was even the week before take a look right here we'll see I kind of come out okay it's actually getting better than I thought this has basically been the main thing that I've been working on for the past two weeks okay it's getting so much better actually that's that's a good sign and I'll talk about the keys that's helped me with that but okay here you can kind of see a better angle from the back where you get to this position and then it comes up and because my shoulder is doing this movement where it has to get my shoulder has to rotate my elbow back down underneath my or over my wrist it kind of like swoops a little bit which causes you can see it there some nose up flight some air bounciness and ultimately a lot of lack of power gandon thinks that my timing is pretty good I think that my timing is pretty good there's obviously still things to work on but if I'm timed decently and timing I don't mean like where I get to my reach back cuz ultimately you can stay in this position this whole time and as long as everything comes through correctly from there it doesn't matter in my opinion when I get here even if my timing is good if I'm swooping the disc you're losing a lot of momentum that's going down then back up instead of momentum that's going from here pulling straight through like this pulling straight through and then extending out as you can see I can get into those positions well when I'm going slowly but as I speed up muscle memory kicks in my body is like hey if it's a new position you're going fast I don't want you to hurt yourself so it doesn't let you do things super well so you need to kind of trick your brain which is what I think Q's are for and so today this is how it was looking still not nearly perfect but significantly better and you'll see why this is the miserable session look at all that wind on my back so it look really bad there I don't like what that looks like but I do like the pull through from it even though I get into this position my pull through is still significantly More Level this is the footage that I sent to genon where he said yeah it looks significantly better but you need to still pull through on anheiser I get out to that position it doesn't really tip too much this is obviously cuz I'm throwing a slower speed disc and then my pull through is very level it's not it's much more from just straight low to high instead of the disc kind of flipping up it's very consistent and I throw it out still some stuff to work on with the hit point with the release all that but ultimately there are two cues that I think really help me also soring for the set and stuff I did want to go outside but it was like the most miserable Day Ever the wind was like 30 mph pretty consistently I did throw my longest shot ever it was a roller that flipped up and skipped after being a roller and doing another full Flex so it doesn't quite count but it's a big shot I just threw one you see the parking lot it's over the parking lot turned into a roller got picked up by the wind and then did a full Flex that way all right it's my first official 600t shot Echo Destroyer BAS oh my gosh that is miserable that's not it 6 baby let's go here's what we're looking at the throw my understanding of it let me take this off so we can is step step here and everything is kind of backwards you step out you stride out as this is extending ultimately what you want is you hit your extended like your full reach back which I want to be here this is where I want it to be I don't want it to be like this obviously you can if you look at how torso moves when I do that it is not where it needs to be I think a part of that honestly I just realized this is the way that my off arm moves up if you saw in that video that I tected to Ganon which I talked about earlier I keep my off arm a little lower which is another thing I'm thinking about off arm is still something really important to me but when I fling my off arm up it kind of forces this shoulder out a little so if I'm able to keep it a little lower and even and thinking about keeping it back as it moves backwards then I can't really get to this position like it's not a comfortable position like I'm having to use a lot of my shoulder in a weird way to get there if this back shoulder doesn't extend up cuz now that's the normal position when I get into this High Reach back like I typically do so if I get here and I keep the arm low then I'm going to be in good positions the whole time rotate throw a lot of the things that I'm talking about are going to need to be OV exaggerated or you're going to or you're going to need to think about them in a very overe exaggerated manner I'm not going to just be able to go out on the field and throw like I want to because I haven't my body hasn't taken the time to learn that new throw and the things I'm going to talk about are going to be very personal to me that's why I'm not a coach I'm not trying to be a coach but so you might have these same issues test them if they make it worse for you don't do it and that's actually something that we're going to get to in a second but first I was recently editing a video and noticed that I tend to start here and then I take this off arm off and then into my xep I like rotate into my xep and so I'm already here and so from here to here is like super fast you can get there really quickly whereas if in my xep I was here which is not a very comfortable position for me this is actually something I was watching today and fig thinking I still need to fix this then to get from here as this strides out to here it's going to be a much slower process it's going to take a lot more time and so I'm probably not going to get to Peak reach back before I have to pull through so instead of rotating into my ex up I need to figure out a way to move laterally which I think part of me because I have small legs I'm 5'6 so I'm a smaller guy and that means that like my margin for error with everything in the form is a little bit smaller than most people because like all of my limbs are smaller so in order to use them maximally I have to account for more erir or less air I guess and so a part of me thinks that I might this is this is a little bit of a side but a part of me thinks that I might need to get to here and then step backwards into my xep cuz that's still lateral a very short xep like I don't need a big X next upep because that's not comfortable I'm going to have to rotate into that because simply because my hips are smaller widthwise than some people and my femur right here are smaller lengthwise than some people so there's not as much room for them to like swing behind each other and stay in this position where they're both facing forward I might need to step back and then forward and get laterally and I've also thought about something which has helped that I just remember now which is instead of stepping onto the balls of my feet stepping onto the side of my foot stepping onto here and feeling my pressure on kind of the outside of my foot it's an awkward feeling but it helped me to get into this position which is a little bit easier to throw from but one thing that I noticed is as I was doing bigger shots I would start here and I would think oh I need to take my hand off the disc because of something that I saw in a PO Berry hole video and this gets to the point where cues are not for everybody because even Pros as they're talking even me as I'm talking even coaches as they're talking they're talking about cues that might work for for a specific person you can't really address everybody and that's why specialized coaching is important and I hope that someday we'll get to a point in our sport where there are plenty of good coaches so this Ezra and ulie video where Julie was able to get a little at a distance Ezra told him to take his hand off of the disc and so that had been on my head for a little bit and so I've taking the hand off my disc and this is why specific coaching is super important because for me taking the hand off my disc made it feel like my shoulders can now just rotate freely and help to bring my hips back even more so I'm already here and I have all this way to go with my foot to get to this position boom right here and I only had this to do with my arm so for me in that video that I sent genon which is the first thing that helped me that was like the first time that I ever pulled a disc even though it was here it came through flat but I was thinking about keeping my hand on the disc until I got through my xep so to my xep here and now it can come off and now if you look at where my shoulders are even just in a typical runup yeah they're starting to turn back a little bit more but significantly less than if I took my hand off back here now I'm here so big difference there in just keeping this kind of forward and then from here I can take it off extend back they'll hit at the same time and I can throw through that's the first cue the second cue has to do with something that I learned about last year in the project 100 series which was my last offseason where I didn't gain a ton of distance but I got a lot of more consistency with my form and now obviously I'm having to overhaul it again I'm hoping this offseason is my last form overhaul and after this I don't have to worry about over hauling my form again I can just tweak it and continually to do that cuz I mean even cor Allin is tweaking his but last offseason I had done some coaching with Josh from overthrow disc golf and one of the things that he said is I was walking up backwards to the disc so he told me basically don't turn around like what I was doing was I would start and I would turn around walk backwards and then round across my body to get the disc out and so it's been in my head for a while don't turn around don't turn around don't turn around don't turn around and then I started watching more players and realizing that one of the reasons I think I'm here here is because I don't turn around and this is why cu's they're so specific and they're so temporally specific they're specific I know this is a little bit of a rambly crazy video I know you guys sometimes like these and I like making them because it's how my brain works but and also think it's helpful information but those your cues are for specific people in specific times or at specific times if they need them right now if you watch my throws I'll overlay some footage after this while I continue to ramble about it but what I what you see me do is when I get here I get to this position because I'm leaning forward a little bit and even if I'm not really leaning forward too much I'm still like this and you can see strain in this vein right here because I'm really doing everything my power I know I'm not supposed to look back I'm not supposed to look back I'm not supposed to turn around and so I stay here which this only can get you so far like obviously I'm making I'm standing still so I'm in a Balan position here but if I wasn't balanced and I was still falling onto this to keep this head position the only thing that can happen is my shoulder has to continue opening up as I Fall to get the here so now that it's strained it's extended not like hyp extended out of its socket but it gets from a position where my shoulder is fine here it can stay here it's not comfortable but you can also see the disc is pretty flat like you can't see the flight plate and so to get to an uncomfortable position if I stay this way and my momentum moves me forward it's going to force it to do that instead of being here allowing my head to be even more neutral and now nothing happens because I'm allowing myself to turn around if you watch Pros throw they allow themselves to turn around and the reason that not turning around was important for me at the time oh my kitchen is a mess I really didn't want that to be seen in the video whatever what a fraud the reason that oh God whatever it's all good the reason that it's so important for me at the time was because turning around for me meant my hips were backwards and they had to do this like rounding thing to get to the other side whereas now if I get here my hips aren't in a point where they're unnecessarily backwards and I'm going to force rounding and so I can turn around because me telling myself to turn around the my hips are in I've trained them to be in mostly good positions obviously there's tweak Whatever Whenever I say good stuff know that there's Nuance to it but I'm in this position here and so now if I allow myself to turn around it allows me to stay over my back foot while I'm reaching out my leg so that the weight can transfer better so I can stay over this foot you see people kind of crunched over their back leg as they extend out here so that that weight can all transfer at once and they can sling the disc forward you can't do that if you don't allow yourself to turn around necessarily obviously if you're out a little bit more here you don't really need to turn around and if your timing is a little bit better than mine is you don't really you might not need to turn around I've told myself to turn around and I'll overl some videos where the cue that's in my head is turn around and you can still see my I'm like this I maybe instead of like this I'm like this or like you didn't really see a lot of change there it's there but I need to be instead of like this like this kind of almost watching the disc that's a cue that I thought about is okay let me keep my hand on the disc until my ex step and then watch the disc back and even right now I'm a little more forward than I want I want to be a little more here so that once my heel hits I can weight transfer better but those are a couple of the cues that I was using today and it obviously wasn't fully working I think a part of it is thinking about even the superation and pronation of my wrist which will force myself into those positions better cuz if I think about hey let me just make sure that I stay whatever the heck this one is down then I get back here and it's way more comfortable and if I start here you'll see in some of these videos I started here and it came up to almost flat but never really got past flat whereas if I kind of start a little bit more neutral then it's pretty easy for that elbow to be raised in the air which is something that Brian AAL talked about in his recent video um that he did with Coach Mike Strauss where like you never really want this to be in the air cuz that's what causes the swooping and I think that's the reason why even if like even if I'm back here and I find a way to make the disc go like this if this isn't fully facing the top I'm still able to mostly pull through well or you can see like if I'm leaned over you can see the top of the disc here you can definitely see that but my elbow is facing forward it's not facing down and so because of that even if you can see the top of the disc I'm still able to have that straight pull through which I think is what's been happening and so now it's just thinking about correcting the supination and pronation of my wrist and then that's also what helps you to end in a nose down position is the way that you pull across and you throw it nose down which is partially rotation of the shoulder partially superation of the wrist all stuff I'm continuing to learn and hopefully pass along to you guys in these little Rambles the one thing that I was planning on working out in the fieldwork session today which I was going to go and film but then we got out there and it's 30 mph winds was going from slower to fast faster discs because me thinking about keeping my hands on the disc while I come through work significantly better at slower speeds which obviously can do with faster discs but I'm thinking like 30 40% power and that's totally okay I had a question in one of my live streams that I did over on banana fro of like do you think it's actually beneficial to like go really slow and then speed up and absolutely I think it is because then your body realizes that that's a range of motion that you can actually throw from no matter the speed your body just needs to learn things and be okay with it and sometimes you need to either trick it or like kind of force it I don't know how to do that but but slowing down is an important way I think to figure that out turning around I think being looser with that is also helpful because I can turn around and still be like leaned forward like okay I'm turned around but my head is going that way and so it's just making sure just staying loose in my neck in my head neck shoulder area and just coming around swinging It Forward you see a lot of pro players do that maybe not like like I'm not talking 180 but there have been times when I've thought turn around 180° and I turn around an extra 15 de so that's why cues as well are sometimes sometimes need to be significantly over exaggerated I will say that doing this has made me feel significantly more powerful and consistent I was playing with Cole and he's like man like you're throwing it faster right now like it's snapping out of your hand better right now and a lot of that was just thinking through these little things and them working minimally and it's something that I've learned a lot as I got done with spending time with Drew and obviously we continue to text a little bit and he asked me about the throw and just I'm telling know it's getting better it's getting better I'm trust I'm like doing it he's like yeah like you just need to trust the process sometimes nothing is going to happen overnight obviously like some things you can like fix and maybe your body really gets it and hears it in a new way and and that's what I'm striving for like I'm trying to figure out what those things are for myself at but at the end of the day consistent work over a long period of time is going to beat just doing a ton right now and then not doing anything for a while so in that Brian Heart video consuming that the elbow thing was helpful thinking about okay super nation and pronation cuz I was thinking a lot internal and external rotation of the shoulder which I think is important but in this is an internally rotated shoulder position right here which you need to be able to get into I think but then in this position you can superate and pronate even more and so if I'm a little bit more neutral my shoulder position and I'm able to superate down here you can kind of see my wrist is above my elbow here below my elbow here and so maybe I need to be and so I think I still need to work on more internal rotation and strengthening that and I'm going to have a video coming out about that for both hips for shoulders talking about the tpine and some other things in the core but even just thinking about okay if I'm in a neutral shoulder position and like superate or pronate whichever one this is I don't know then I'm still in a good position here boom and my elbow is facing out and so if I start here and I end up slightly externally rotating my shoulder my elbow's still facing out so I can still pull through flat which it's much more of rotation much more of this and much less of this but when I'm on camera that's what I do sometimes so that was help helpful don't let the elbow Point down big help because that creates that Air Balance effect that I do all the time or I have done in the past and then the second thing is from that video changing the grip where Mike Strauss is talking a lot about something that I noticed myself doing which is if you put the disc across your hand then it's very nose up here and obviously like you can you can externally rotate to throw it down you can superator pronate to throw it down as you throw but what's better than that is instead of having it be here if you just kind of have it in the middle of your hand and then like kind of a bona pain grip with this is but you just go from this and then one one of the things I've been doing is just kind of starting with my index finger down and then putting the rest of the fingers in and it draws the disc back into your hand slightly but it's also like a very nose down position ultimately what I've been thinking about recently is this needs to be flat like this is going to be nose up this is going to be nose up this you can kind of get it down there but you're forcing a lot with your wrist and sometimes that can strain some of the tendons so if you just have a slightly different grip then that is better because it needs to be flat it needs to come out flat which is something that I need to continue working on this is kind of the what does Anthony need to continue working on stage of this video which we're going to work through hopefully over the next two and a half months because I feel like I'm at such a good base all right I hope you can hear me this strike it felt good coming out of my hand I'm like a pure Heiser it went 430 ft it's freezing and windy and unbearable but something might be working so we're going to keep throwing a little bit and hope you enjoy I got to get back to having one or two in the chamber so I don't have to go out and film on days like these what am I thinking I mean I threw a disc really far today obviously with a helping wind but getting a strike 430 while kind of working on stuff I'm pretty staked about and so instead of Cu what I notice I do is I kind of I use my wrist when I throw but I do mostly this that's movement with the wrist which causes it even if I'm in this nose down grip causes it to be nose up nose up nose up nose up instead of from here just to there like less wrist movement will make it slightly more consistent some rist movements still like I don't mind but I want it to stop and still be pointed nose down instead of what I do which is popping it nose up so one big thing is I don't know how much I was doing that today but maybe it was a mix of all these things I was throwing pretty nose down one massive wind is for the first time ever I'm see being like the bottom of the disc instead of the flight plate as I launch it even into a headwind which is a big win so that's good so I was super stoked about that because I typically always when I'm throwing my disc and you can watch my videos you can you can sometimes see the back of the disc as it's in the air but today I was seeing the underside of the disc which is so much better because genuinely I think that with the form in my can I throw 500 video I could throw 500 if I could get one of those discs to be nose down you know so I'm I'm guessing like if if there if there's no wind I probably can go out and throw a disc close to 500 ft today get a new PR um but there's so much to continue to work on that will be helpful with the you with the tech dis one last thing obviously is that off arm like what whenever whenever you watch these whenever you watch me throw an heisers or whatever the off arm and the steps are going to continue being something that I have to bring in I have to continue figuring out how to hey and this actually just doing this was really helpful and seeing that okay let me just make sure that because your hips here's the doll I've had my off arm definitely needs to get down it needs to be here more consistently I don't care if like I punch it down I don't care if I one of these time one of these Drews one of those I don't really care how what happens but it needs to be pretty much straight and out of the way when it comes back there's a lot of things that different people do and one of my thought processes was if you remember in that similar video where I was told not to like Turn Around from Joshua overthrow there was the up up down up which comes in where your hips and your shoulders are pointed towards the ground instead of me where when I was going backwards I was down down down up and so getting this hip forward and up and this front shoulder up and then keeping it up during the X step dropping it for the throw and then throwing out which rotates everything back upwards made me think that okay getting this offsh shoulder up right here is a good thing but if you kind of watch the shoulders when I do keep it down when I intentionally keep it down I'm trying to I'm thinking about getting it down to the ground here because of the way that your hips are and the way that your shoulders move in line with your hips if I think about keeping it down it's still going to be above the shoulder and so even if I think about okay let me keep it down like there you just can't I can't have my hips going this way and then my shoulders up here like that's never going to be something that your body ever gets into position wise and so I don't need to throw this arm up to get this up because actually brings this whole off side of my body way up here and it causes a lot more problems than it's good for and so off arm is going to be something I continue to work on head placement and then shortening the step and I did figure something out with that today about my stagger that I'm going to try to do that I'm not sure if it's the red idea but I'm going to mess around with it for a bit because I felt more powerful when I did it and I'm also opening up my stagger so that I have cuz I feel like this might get really windy wind is coming this way so we're going to place here I've heard a lot of like oh you need to be in line blah blah blah in line here I'm trying to actually give myself more of a stagger so instead of being in line cuz I feel like what I'm doing is rotating early to get in line instead of using some of that energy into a brace so instead I'm trying to get out here so that that rotational energy gets into that a little more of an intentional stagger got to SP while here but I think I'm figured something out so yeah I know this was a decent bit of rambling but I think it's important form talk since I'm trying to take you along this journey for myself one last thing to leave you guys with that I also need to leave myself with pretty consistently is of course the offseason has a start in the end but like life and your disc golf career doesn't necessarily have the same things and so for me I'm like oh I need to get a 500 foot golf line by February and I still think that I can and I might be able to do that maybe I'm only at 450 maybe I'm only at 4:30 maybe well I'm at 430 now maybe I'm only at 475 no matter what it is it'll be enough to continue to do what I want to do in disc golf and try to get better I'm not thinking that I'm going to be a top 50 player in the world this year if that happens awesome I'm going to be working towards that but I'm not expecting that of myself cuz I know this is a long-term journey and trying to expect too much of yourself immediately is exactly how you burn out so push as hard as you want with this push as hard as you can don't expect too much of yourself and realize that even if the season starts you can continue to tweak things and you always have next off season it just happens the more you think about it the more you practice it it does so thanks for watching appreciate you appreciating the crazy hopefully you got some decent stuff out of this video made you think a little bit differently about form I try not to be too dogmatic about things cuz I know that this is about my journey and I don't like saying that this is the way to do something because I know everybody's body is going to be different and nobody even knows the way to do things in disc golf yet there's no General consensus and so why is this silly dumb little YouTuber going to pretend like there is appreciate you guys see you in the next one bye watch something else Tech this tomorrow maybe or the next day bye