The Disc Golf Secrets I Wish I Knew Years Ago (feat. Nick Krush)

This has been one of the most highly recommended books for me in disc golf. And it's funny because there's a tennis ball on the cover. However, the mental game tips that are in this book have really helped revolutionize the way that I see myself as a player, see the way that my body and my brain can interact, especially as an overanalytical person and have helped me to throw shots that I didn't think I'd be able to before and more consistently than ever. It's the start of a long process for me. And someone who is also a little bit over analytical like myself and a great coach is going to be joining me after we thank the sponsor of today's video. Thank you to Quins for sponsoring this one. And after I pay some bills, we'll get right back to it. Thank you to Quinc for sponsoring this video. A company that I had not known much about before they reached out to sponsor a video. And I'm really glad I learned about them because of the affordability, quality, and customer service. 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Radar 90 mph maxeway disc and then the 800 at sea level. 800 feet. >> That's >> with a strong tailwind, of course. >> That's insane, though. I was just going to be playing with Nick because I came down to Florida for a wedding and I'm about to actually go on a family vacation. So, I'll be out of town, but I've been wanting to get this video out to you guys. And so, I wanted to do it kind of as a conversation for Nick cuz we played just around together. And so, I'm going to be giving kind of my treatise and my overall thoughts about honestly how the mental game works and how you can work with your body uh instead of getting mad at yourself when you're playing disc golf. And hopefully, you'll be able to trust yourself a little bit more by the end of this video, even before you've thrown a disc, by having a better understanding. And then I want to get Nick's thoughts to someone who's coached a lot of players from amateur levels all the way to guys who are on the pro tour right now and just see what he thinks about what I have to say about this. Bear with me here real quick because this is a book about tennis. But it's been recommended to me so many times. And so as I've picked it up and I've been reading through it, I wanted to take you through just four or five takeaways from the beginning of the book before we get into how I've applied them to myself. Getting started. The author really walks through how there are two selves that all of us have as we're out on the course playing. And you can recognize this if you've ever shanked a shot and you said, "What are you doing?" Because if you haven't thought about that too much before, who are you talking to? Are you talking to yourself? Kind of. But one version of yourself is talking to another version of yourself cuz it's saying, "What are you doing?" But you don't say, "What do I what am I doing?" So it's a little bit confusing, but he says that obviously that I myself are se separate entities or there would be no conversation. So one could say that within each player there are two selves. One, the I seems to give instructions and the other myself seems to perform the actions which is why I say like what are you doing? The you is the one who's performing the action. For clarity he calls the teller self one which I like to think of as your conscious self like your thinking self. And then the other the doer as self two which I like to think of as your body, your biomechanics, your subconscious thing that like if I told you to just throw a piece of paper into a trash can next to you, you wouldn't think you would just be able to do it or at least get very close. You wouldn't try to throw the piece of paper and it would wind up way across the room like sometimes happen if you're trying to throw a disc and trying too hard. Uh and so self one and self two the teller and the doer or like I like to think your conscience self one and your subconscious your body self 2. Now we're ready for the first major postulate of his book or the first major kind of theme or treatise that he has within each player. The kind of relationship that exists between self one and two is the prime factor in determining one's ability to translate his knowledge of technique into effective action. In other words, if you don't have a good relationship between your conscious self and your subconscious, you might have a harder time translating what you know you should do into what you actually do. And so, the better you can build this relationship, the more you can translate what you think you should do to what you can actually do because there is an interplay between your thinking self and your doing self. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on all this and how you've seen this applied. It was a little revolutionary when I first was reading this because I normally think, oh, I just need to try harder or do better. And one of the things that I don't think I highlighted in this, but he basically says like sometimes trying harder is worse because then you're trying to overtake your subconscious self and your just ability to do things by trying to focus on all the mechanics and then you're not letting your subconscious, which has learned to do all the things actually do what it's learned to do. Mhm. Something that's interesting from my personal experience watching videos of good players when I started playing and then also just from self-experience is if you go out and play Frisbee with your friend, like even if you're throwing a putter, the putter that you'd be throwing for approach shots >> when you are out there like having fun and just super relaxed and chill with your body and throwing, you guys are deadly accurate usually and you're not thinking about trying to get the disc to them. You're just playing catch and having fun. And that's probably a situation where the self two and self- one have a naturally balanced and good relationship. Probably like more self two dominance or subconscious mind. Basically, your body's anim animalistic skill to just calculate trajectories and know what it feels like to put the disc where you're aiming or where you want it to go is really amazing. >> It's a miracle how good the human body is at coordinating that stuff. So, you're playing catch with the Frisbee and you're deadly accurate and then you try to go do it with a basket after you hit a good drive and you want to get the birdie on the the first time on that hole and it's the most inaccurate throw. Like you would never have missed your buddy that much, you know, playing catch warming up. So, it's kind of like an interesting example and I'm sure a lot of people hopefully a lot of you guys have experienced it and you can kind of draw on like what it feels like to to do the the catch warm-up. So, that was just something that came to mind when you were talking about that stuff. what I've like thought about before and I've heard that analogy so many times before and then in reading this and then honestly testing some things and so I want to give like a lot more application after we work through kind of some of what we're talking about but I feel like I've found a much better way to do that on the course effectively not obviously all the time especially I mean you and I are very similar and like we like to overanalyze everything to the nth degree and so being able to take that mind and find a way to make it useful in applying the things that it's overanalyzing into the game is key Because because we're over analytical, we tend to think that just by analyzing we can change the way that we do. But that's not how it works. So you need to figure out what the relationship is. And I think that's the relationship between self one and self two that he's talking about. And so >> in chapter four he says only on self one stops sitting in judgment over self 2 and its actions. Can it become aware of who and what self 2 is and appreciate the processes by which it works. Essentially, and I recognize this to myself, if you are always overanalyzing, you don't actually know your true capability. And and I really realized this when I realized that there would be times that I'm watching the Pro Tour and there are pros or like maybe in skins or something where like oh I didn't know I could do that and someone will exclaim that and I for like the last two years before I've really started implementing this in the last couple months have never felt that. I've always been like oh I thought I could do that and then I did it or I thought I could do that and then I couldn't do it. It was never a oh I didn't know I could do that. And I think that that's what this is saying is because I would always be like almost forcing myself to stay within the capability of what I was trying hard to do rather than seeing what my body has picked up and learned to do. I recognize this kind of funnily in my daughter who like is just learning to be a person. And she surprised herself all the times with things that she can do and she surprises us all the time with things that she says because her mind and her body are making connections that she's not consciously doing. And I think it's the same way but we forget that we still have that capability as we grow. And so that's what I think this is saying is allow yourself to have a true accounting of what you're able to do. And then as this occurs, trust is developed and eventually the basic but elusive ingredient of all top performance emerges, self-confidence. And this I think was the biggest key for me in all this. I have a couple more things that I want to talk about in the book, but essentially when I finally realized that I was going to think about what I wanted to do and then found a way to just trust my body to try to execute it. And I'll tell you what that way is in a second after we hear next thoughts. I finally started having more self-confidence. I knew that like there was a world in which I wasn't able to do what I was thinking. So if I step up to a hole and it's a 400T tunnel shot, I'm going to think about what I need to do. I'm going to visualize it and then I'm just going to trust my body and see what happens. And sometimes I'm able to execute and sometimes I'm not. But every time that I don't judge that as oh that's a good shot or a bad shot, but I just see what has happened and observe it. My body is taking notes. It's it's analyzing what is happening so that it can do what your brain wants it to do in the future. Your body wants to work in conjunction with your brain. But if you're overanalyzing it to no end, I feel like sometimes it's hard for it to be able to do that. I want to give like an interesting extreme example on the overanalytical side of the spectrum because I think that's something I've been very fortunate and blessed to have the experience of coaching a lot of smart engineering type guys probably because I make such a nerdy like you know because the engineering background so they gravitate towards my um coaching program and sign up and it's a superpower to have a smart powerful brain. A lot of the times engineers have really good spatial reasoning if you're analytical that can be good for post round debriefs and it can be good for understanding mechanics and learning to coach yourself over time. But the double-edged sword of it is that because you know your brain has that analytical capability, >> you want to exert extreme control over the situation and try to leverage that brain horsepower, that mental horsepower to improve the outcome as an athlete on the course. But more often than not, it ends up actually being bad, especially when it comes time to execute on the course or worst case in a pressure tournament situation. So that would be like that um you know the conscious brain really dominating because you know it's helped you along in life. It's one of those things where those guys the biggest gains they get in terms of like round ratings and results with their backhand accuracy and distance is basically we just try to like dummy mask dummy max or anim animalistic max dummy max. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's basically like figuring out how to turn off the conscious part of the brain because it's so extremely dominant in those situations. And then you think about, you know, the playing catch with your friends so accurate >> or kids that are naturally, you naturally learn how to run and walk. Like your body knows how to do stuff, especially if you practice enough repetitions. >> Um the more times you've done something, the more your body has the blueprint for how to execute it. Just getting out of its way is the number one thing. So like those guys, they'll literally have >> they'll pick up 50 rating rating points in like one month. >> Wow. >> On their PDGA rating just from us doing that, which is such an extreme. I mean, that's like five strokes a round. Yeah. >> On average. Yeah, >> that's happened multiple times. >> Yeah, I I definitely see I feel like myself in thinking through these I' I've noticed myself being two, three rating points or two or three like strokes better very consistently and like hitting more gaps, not being as afraid. And I think to your point, the like overanalysis to the point where you're trying to control things, it's it's either over analysis or control or both. And this type of video is not going to be for the people who are already so lazair that maybe they need to think about their game a little more. It's for the people who are like Nick and I, of course, which is why they're watching my channel. But when you're trying to so overly control, I feel like you can never find a flow. And when I was at Queen City and I first found that in the first round, it was from not trying to analyze myself, but being like, I'm going to trust myself that I'll get to it. And I think sometimes trying to be controlling, you feel such a sense of urgency that is really harmful in rounds of disc golf because you're like, well, if I can't figure this out now, then I only have so much time left. And then you because you try to do everything you can to force it, you end up never figuring it out because you're always trying something new rather than just giving your body time to just like trust yourself, settle into it, and you never settle in because you're always looking at what's the next thing that I can optimize or work on. And there's always going to be something that feels broken. Like there are so few like perfect swings that you will ever have in your entire disc golf career. And so there's always something that you can try to optimize, but your conscious mind is more likely not a worse optimizer than your body who's felt every single repetition and has the muscle memory from all of it. All right, Nick's grabbing some water. Real quick, I want to read this passage, which I will not commentate on too much because I want to get into how to apply this and the ways that I've personally found incredibly effective for myself and hopefully it can be for you, too. But this just kind of ties a bow on what we're talking about here. As long as self one, your conscious self, is either too ignorant or too proud to acknowledge the capabilities of self 2, true self-confidence will be hard to come by. It is self 1's mistrust of self 2, which causes both the interference called trying too hard and that of too much self-instruction. Trying too hard results in using too many muscles. And having too much self- instruction results in mental distraction and a lack of concentration. Trusting your body means letting your body throw a disc. And this is where we really get into how to do this. Well, the mental cue or idea that I have been using is been not try to throw this shot. If I if I'm stepping up on the teapad, I'm going to make myself throw this shot straight. I'm going to try to throw the shot straight. I'm going to let myself throw the shot straight. If you say that to yourself right now, I don't know about you, but like I felt a little bit more of like a a calming of my nervous system when I say, "I'm going to let myself do something rather than I'm going to try. I'm going to make it happen." I'm more tense when I'm thinking about forcing myself or making myself or trying hard. But if I say, "I'm going to let myself throw this shot straight. I'm going to let my body do what it needs to do," that is where I found the most success. But that's definitely not enough, I think, for most people, myself included. It's it's feels too woo woo to be like, "Oh, I'm just going to let myself throw the shot straight. What does that even mean?" And I think that's because for analytical people like me and Nick and maybe you watching this video, you need to have a focus for your conscious self. And so what I found the most effective focus actually came really early in this book. Images are better than words. Showing better than telling. Too much instruction worse than none. And that trying often produces negative results. But the two main things here are that images are better than words and showing is better than telling. And I'll show you what I'm talking about. a little bit of right to left wind. In my head, I'm just picturing a nice straight orange disc that flips up the whole way. And honestly, it's a little scary when you get started, especially if you're someone like me for the past two or three years who's tried to make myself do everything. I got to a certain ceiling and then I tried to force my way into the next ceiling rather than just trusting that it will happen if I let my body learn how to throw more effectively. What's what's scary about it is if you're letting yourself learn how to throw well or you're letting yourself throw the shot, you can't control the result. And I think if you're an overanalytical person or a controlling person like I am, you want to believe that you can control the result always. Or if you do a specific thing or a specific trick, you can control the result. And the reality is you cannot control the result. You can just do your best. And doing your best in includes the possibility of it not going well. And so when I started really internalizing that, that's when I found that like letting myself throw shots rather than trying shots or forcing shots was more effective because I already opened myself up to the possibility that things won't go well. But I'm still going to try my hardest. And when I started doing that, I started missing less shots than when I was trying to force it and being less angry at myself when I did make mistakes because it was already in the realm of possibility. observing what happens when I do that and internalizing the feeling of it, which sounds honestly so woowoo and mystical and something that I would not have said before. But if it wasn't working for me very effectively as an overanalytical person, I wouldn't be talking about it. And so the final bow on all of this for me is where do I put my conscious mind? So I can think about a cue of like keep your elbow up or keep your arm high or something. And those are cues that I think could work when working on form. I think these cues can be good in having the max one thing in your mind. Whether it's a queue for working on your form or what I found out on the course is queuing for form is not always the best. And instead visualizing a line with your disc and letting your body throw it is the absolute key. To reiterate that when I'm stepping up to a hole and I'm thinking about a shot, I can use my conscious mind to think, okay, which what's the danger here? What should I be worried about obwise? What disc will actually get to the basket? what won't and eliminate everything that won't work. And then when I choose the disc that I'm going to be throwing, the only thing in my mind if I'm throwing well and I end up executing at a very high clip and I'm sure it's because I practiced a lot and I've thrown a lot of shots. The thing that mainly works for me is when I'm stepping up the teapad, I am visualizing the line of the shot. I what I'm see in my mind is a blur. That is basically like if you took a follow flight down the fairway of what I want the disc to do. I'm not thinking about release angle even. I'm not thinking about how my body needs to be oriented. I'm not thinking about any of this. I'm just looking at the line and then I'm just picturing that the whole way through my entire swing and then letting the disc go. And it rarely is perfectly on that line, but most of the time it's very close to it. And so, since I've already used self one to calculate what the misses can be, and then I'm focusing intently on that line, I'm trusting my body to execute that line. And to be completely honest with you, the first times that I ever tried this, I was really afraid that I was just going to shank everything because I felt like I was giving up my control. And honestly, I was giving up the control that was more of an illusion than anything. Like I didn't really have control over what I was going to do. I just felt like because I was thinking smart thoughts about how to put my body in the right positions that I was going to control it. And I found myself unlocking more power and actually throwing shots. It's like, well, I didn't know I could do that for the first time in a couple years because I'm visualizing a line and then just letting it happen. And sometimes the disc goes long and sometimes the disc goes short. And every time that that happens, I'm not saying that's a good shot or that's a bad shot. I'm just taking note of what happened and letting it inform the future of my disc golfing. You can still have a high level of focus, but that focus for me when I'm playing my best is on the line of the shot, not on the release angle, not on how my elbow is, not on how my feet are. I'll just visualize the line and try to think about no cues at And whenever I'm doing that, that's when I'm throwing my absolute best because my body knows how to do it. It's done it before. And if it hasn't, it's done similar enough things that it can approximate it better than I can calculate with my conscious mind. Your subconscious is so much more powerful than you think. These they are all things that if you told me a year ago, I would have maybe even laughed you off because I would have thought they were like silly and woo woo and like I honestly just come to think that it's just true science and sports psychology. It's not like mysticism or anything weird, but those are kind of my general thoughts. Visualize like and that's all I'm telling myself. Visualize the line. Trust myself. And that's how I've I genuinely feel like I've gone gotten to a point where like and this could age poorly, but like I think I'll be a thousand rated in the next couple months. I went up to 994, my highest ratings that I that I ever have. >> Performance in the um >> Queen City Classic. >> Queen City Classic. >> Yeah. And coming back, I just feel like I proof right there. I feel like it's the only thing that has taken the cap off of my potential because I feel like I've capped my potential by trying to control what I can do. And I'm trying to push the cap up with a lot of force rather than just like working with my body rather than trying to control my body. Because the scary reality, but I think the true reality is that you're not in control of your body, at least in every single sense. So, those are kind of my full thoughts. There's so much more in this book. There's so much more that I haven't even gotten close to getting to, but that's all my general thoughts. I'm really intrigued to hear what you had to say about my uh at this point monologue. >> No, I mean that was that was really well said and it's cool that you've been applying the stuff from the book and um I want to try to complement what he said with just some of the experiences R&D and also learning. I mean I would say I learned more from my clients because they're out there putting in the work and then they report back with what works. and uh we work so closely together and so you know this would be all the way down to you know guys winning their first MA4 tournament that I'm coaching up to guys getting top 30 top 20 finishes at the major you know on the pro tour. >> Yeah. >> And it's the same for every single person of all levels mentally. The sport psychology is literally the same for everyone. >> Yeah. >> The difference is level of skill obviously and physical talent. Yeah. >> In terms of those different levels. >> Um but >> which is honestly kind of scary because you you would think that the psychology would change as you get better >> but it doesn't. >> Yeah. You just get better. >> Yeah, they just get better. And and the thing is those top guys are more in the habit, the natural habit of the stuff that Anthony is talking about. I want to just add some actionables just from my experience just so you guys have some different things to try out because everyone's body resp. Yeah. So, one of the big ones that's really common, and it was definitely common for myself, is um you know, people that are type A or high achiever types that really want to be good at stuff. We're very prone to feeling embarrassed when we mess up, >> especially in front of cardmates or in the video that we're recording on the course. >> Oh, yeah. >> And that is a huge huge thing that is going to, you know, basically completely prevent you from reaching your potential. Um, so getting in the habit of not being embarrassed when bad things happen and realizing that the only thing that is embarrassing is so you're always going to mess up here and there. Like disc golf is hard. You have to throw a shot between trees. You're always going to hit a tree at some point. >> The only embarrassing thing is not >> taking joy in the sport and feeling confident, having fun. >> Yeah. >> There's no embarrassment in missing your shot or not executing. Go watch Pro Tour Top Lead Card coverage. you're going to see some embarrassing bad shots, quote unquote embarrassing. Nothing's actually embarrassing unless you make it to be embarrassing or you, you know, decide that you think it's embarrassing. The best thing is to have fun and have relaxed confidence and then you can never be embarrassed no matter how bad you shank a putt or miss a putt or whatever. So, getting in the habit of not having a fear of embarrassment, it's basically it's not the fear of missing the shot, it's the fear of experiencing the emotion that's going to come >> from. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And so this is like a big like thing in anxiety research is you have like a fear of feeling anxiety or feeling something bad happening and that's what actually makes you feel bad and puts you into this bad feedback loop. >> So try to get in the habit of nothing is ever embarrassing. Nothing's ever awkward in a humanto human interaction. It's only awkward if you think it is. Like I think it's goofy if something weird happens or there's like an awkward pause. >> So stop being fear. Stop being scared of anything embarrassing happening and just focus on getting in the habit of everything's fun, everything's okay. You're going to miss shots. You're playing disc golf for fun, so why not frame it to be as fun as possible? So, don't be scared of bad outcomes or it's not embarrassing to miss a shot in front of your card when you're in a tournament. Everyone's going to miss shots. The only thing embarrassing is to take it too seriously and not have fun. So, that would be the first thing that can really make a big difference. I know for me it's like if you if you miss a shot or you see someone miss a shot and they get angry or they start having an outburst, a lot of the time that's actually just covering your tracks or making it seem like you expect higher out of yourself to not look like you're bad in front of their audience. If you really think about the root cause of that behavior. >> Oh yeah. >> So >> yeah, I mean whenever I've done that it's been like I want them to think that I know that I'm better than >> Exactly. Exactly. >> Even though what I am is what I just threw. Like I'm the one who threw that shot but it's like no, I promise God I'm better than that. like, well, just just keep trying on the next one. >> Exactly. You know, it's more embarrassing to do that. >> It's extra negative force that you're having to fight against when you want to be freeing up that capital for good things when you're playing disc golf. >> So, that'd be number one. That's a big thing for especially high achiever types that want to look like they expect higher out of themselves or better out of themselves in front of people. >> Um, number two is all the things you mentioned about letting go and letting the subconscious mind kind of take over >> was really good. And the biggest thing is it's it's pretty uncomfortable at first for a lot of people because you're so used to controlling it. So it's okay if it's difficult and uncomfortable at first to start letting go. And what you said about the visualization was such a good um system and model to use for the visualization. It's it's more difficult and uncomfortable at first to start letting go of the conscious mind dominating things. So it's okay if it's the first time you do it, it doesn't feel great, >> but once you start getting in the habit of it, it gets really really easy. The more you get in the habit of staying positive and staying detached from the outcome and just focusing on relaxed confidence and just letting your body, you just let it happen. It starts to feel really, really good. >> And once you get in the habit of it, you start to build up the pillars of, you know, relaxed confidence and letting your subconscious mind take over. And then it's much sturdier. It's easier to maintain that because now you know your best results are going to come from not overthinking it. Like this is there's >> peer-reviewed literature. It's not a Disney Channel thing like we'll feel good. It's going to get you best results. It's legit science now. So, we know it's going to get you the best results. That's why you're making the video. Yeah. So, once you get in the habit of it, it's going to start to feel really good. You're going to have more fun playing disc golf. And then that's going to start to become your default state. And just make sure you're continuing to do that because we're playing for the joy of the game. And you're also going to get the best results if you play for the joy of the game. And you let your body just do what it knows how to do instead of thinking of. >> So, that was a second actionable that is a big thing that my clients and I have have figured out that works well. And then uh I also wanted to mention for putting um this is something that I heard from Tiger Woods talking about how his dad taught him to putt >> because in golf golf putts in general are more like C2 putts than disc golf. >> In golf you have the undulation of the green. That's usually a factor especially on tough courses. So your brain has to calculate trajectories and how the physics are going to work out, which is an amazing thing that the human brain can do that because to make a computer do it, you'd have to have like five farms of GPUs like running algorithms using tons of energy. Your brain's amazing at calculating trajectories and understanding how things are going to fly or move. C2 putts are where the disc starts to have some flight dynamics kicking in. You're going to start to have, you know, a little bit of fade. There's going to be glide as a factor. There's no way to like know exactly where to aim and like be able to brute force that analytically. Yeah. >> You just have to practice enough putts and then your body is going to have this amazing model of how the disc is going to fly. You don't have to think about it. Tiger Wood's dad's thing was basically just putt to the picture. So, you're just visualizing like this picture of what the putt's going to look like and then just putt to that and just let it happen. >> Yeah. I think that's exactly how I'm trying to visualize my shots is that >> Yeah. Yeah. And it works for for shot shaping too with the backhands, but you know, for for putting especially, your body knows how to do it. you know, you're really good at throwing a Frisbee into the basket. Done it a million times. >> Um, so yeah, put to the picture is a nice little cue that I just wanted to mention in this video that I, you know, stole from Tiger Woods, whatever his dad taught him. >> Yeah, if we're talking Tiger Woods of disc golf, maybe not quite yet, but Ganon has talked a lot before and to me specifically about how he will sometimes instead of like picking a chain link, he'll picture a hula hoop in the sky. And so he basically is visualizing the trajectory of the disc instead of just like what's the chain that I'm aiming for? Especially when it's getting circle 2 because then I think about the chain and then I think about what the disc is actually going to do but then I'm focused on the chain instead of like what I'm going to focus on this line of the disc and putting on the line. I think it very similar to that is like some like throwing it through a hula hoop that you visualize in the sky or even just like what's the trajectory like what's the path look like and how do you >> Yeah. No, that's awesome. I mean think about Simon Lazot like one of the most, >> you know, freakishly talented shot makers of all time. He does crazy stuff. He knows exactly how a disc is going to fly, but he also plays fast. like you'll see him step up and do some crazy flex trick shot with the putter and he'll like make him a you know pretty alarmingly high rates >> and like do you think that he is analytically thinking about all things or is he just stepping up and just letting it happen because his body knows how to get the job done. And I think that's the perfect button is Simon on this video because I filmed with Simon before on this channel multiple times and I've asked a lot of questions because I've been so analytical and I will still ask questions because I'm still so analytical. But I would always be dumbfounded and almost think that he's holding back information when I ask him like how do you do that? And he says I don't know. He says I get lucky. And now I'm understanding mechanistically because he just naturally is like this. >> Yeah. >> I am not. And so now I understand the mechanism by which he's just like I just do it and he's just literally trusting himself and he doesn't know like and when he I say no I think no is in like the truest hardest sense where it's like I 100% know what's going to happen. It's like I think if you like pressed him and maybe this isn't true, but he'd be like, "Yeah, it's probably going to do this, but like he doesn't know." And I think that that is like a scary place to live as someone who wants to be the best that they can because you basically have to go through this like veil of ignorance almost where it's like I'm not going to know and I have to be okay with that because that's actually how I'm going to be great. >> And without that, I will put a lid on myself without realizing that I'm doing it. And the lid I'm thinking is actually what's going to get me to the next thing, but it's a lid actually. And it's not actually a staircase. It's just I'm putting a cap on it. And that's as far as I can get. And I feel like I would I've been at this ratings cap of like 980ish to 990ish for two years in a row. And I've been trying all these things to force myself to get beyond it. And the only thing that feels like it's the light at the end of the tunnel is this. And I feel like it hasn't changed so much about my abilities. However, my abilities are getting I'm getting better at throwing faster than I ever have before because I'm trusting myself. I'm getting better at actually playing rounds because I'm trusting myself. And so I feel like I need to share with you in a longer video than anybody except for everybody who's ever watched the channel would have expected because it's been something that's been very revolutionary for me and has been uh hopefully something that can help you guys as well. Thank you to Nick for being a part of this. I really appreciate it. I love having your thoughts always. >> Thank you. >> And uh we'll see you guys in the next one. Remember kids, you got a dumb max. See you then.