Why "14 Speed" Discs are OVERRATED [For 99% of Disc Golfers]

welcome back to Bonanza disc golf today we have another bag of Bennett the last of the patreon sponsored bag it or business my patreon wanted me to review the ballista Pro specifically a new gold ballista Pro and a used Global super which is very hard to get my hands on because I wanted to get the Gold Line burst used one so shout out keola who I did a battle with but honestly this plastic can like stand at the time so I'm not sure if it's actually going to be significantly less stable but with all these bag of business nowadays my back is pretty much set so I want to be reviewing this against the farthest flying discs in my bag right now which are Echo Star Destroyers which go very far and then this is a Ricky two-time Star Destroyer which is a little more stable which is how I expect these to fly because these are 14403 I'd say this flies more close to like a twelve five zero through 2.5 or something like that the rim is definitely big the Dome on these is really nice but I imagine these are going to be pretty stable but I've heard from a lot of people that say that the ballista Pro is the farthest flying disc in Latitude 64's lineup so we're going to be testing that today for my farest flying disc in the bag we're gonna play six holes too by the way if it can't be par if they get given away you guys know the drill if you've been here long enough all right so our first tool here they call it Par Four we're gonna play as a three make things more interesting there's a couple part fours that we're gonna play as threes here I've noticed that this Gold Line plastic is some of the like best plastic especially the burst from latitude compared to like the Royal Line even beats in faster than this like I have some Royal stuff that beats him pretty fast which I'm happy about because one of the discs in my bag that you'll see Monday tomorrow is a roll on desk then we're gonna throw my Star Destroyer which is my overstable one because a lot of times you can mimic what a beat-in disc does by having a different plastic like this echostar one which I think this is going to be significantly flippier this is like one of the flippier echo starter stores that I have I think I haven't thrown in a ton but we have a slight left to right 401 feet uphill maybe about 10 feet I'm guessing just because ballistic Pros are stable and fast I'm gonna have to throw out hard on some Annie because we're up at Denver elevation as well maybe a little high it's going to be a little short but maybe 40 feet just a little bit big in my hands it doesn't feel like a nuke or a boss it feels like between that and like a ride which is interesting because arrive is also 13 speed nuke embossed 13 speed I'd say probably arrive is 13 nuke embosser 15 this is 14. so probably pretty accurate this one should be a little flippier a little lower on that same line I like it okay that one actually is pretty flippy it's not significantly flippy or you wouldn't be able to tell unless you throw like relatively hard but that's up there that's a circle one pot we're gonna start with the Star Destroyer which will mimic that first ballista Pro it might actually be a touch less stable might be more similar to the second but that's also probably because the speed is a little slower which I think makes 12 speeds a little more controllable especially if you have smaller hands yeah so I definitely release that a little flatter than both of those other ones and it's still riding down there a little short because I didn't really get all the turn out of it this one I'm definitely going to release flat and just try to juice it I think this one I could use the basket these things go far especially these Jessica East ones something about them the mold that they use for this one compared to the other Echoes goes so far ah I burned it threw it too low I threw it past the pin but I threw it too low let's go make some Pockets make it interesting so this is one of the reasons why ballistic Pros or something this fast even like a boss first of all I don't really think I'm throwing hard enough to see the difference between the two and second off the faster the disc is the bigger the wing this way so if it gets a little bit more nose up it can be taken a little bit easier so that's why I think this one I threw it just as hard as that Destroyer like I felt like I threw that one worse on a much less flex line and it's 10 feet farther even though it's only a 12 speed I think a lot of that is because of the nose angle you get the nose angle right I think these will go farther because the wing is bigger you throw them with the same power but the nose angle on the 12 speeds is way more forgiving than the 14 which is why I prefer those that's so good no I didn't mean that at all all right we threw this one actually pretty much exactly pin High I threw it so low it didn't give it any time to flex it's only yourself 45 Footers oh that wasn't a bad putt but it wasn't a good putt all right our second hole here is 340 feet down the hill we're gonna push a forehand at it with all these guys any birdies no because I stink okay ballista Pros still have the box then we're gonna throw like a still the more stable one these ones I think since we're going downhill we can just push a wide hyzer but I want to keep a little bit of a tight Flex on them just because I think that'll show us a little bit more the difference in stabilities because there's like different points where it gets over see how long it holds that that'll show us a lot of the stability differences between these two ballista pros and then I'm gonna have to throw those destroyers very different but I kind of like that oh man that's what happens when you release it early on a disc that's a little bit too wide for a little baby hands extra concentration the rim once they come out of my hand so much faster there we go significantly better I basically am just throwing these against ballistic Pros not because they're pretty similar but because I'm going to start when I review this reviewing them again stuff in my bag because that gives me more time to practice angles on these because I throw funky shots and that can be helpful to learn so we're gonna go Destroyer probably flat to the left foreign when I said left I meant like inside of the tree line the whole time and then it would have been parked now this one we're gonna have to put a little haiza feels so good in the hand though still flipped up but that Phillip is going to give it a nice big skip I like that desk it's a good one it's a good disc real quick obligatory glitch shot you know Edge Circle we got a pot here not a great one definitely a little bit of early release I've noticed on my forehands a lot of times I've been I've honestly been releasing a little bit more on my side instead of a little more forward I think that's just going to take a little more practice because I haven't been practicing it but it especially comes out there with this fast of a disc because the disc is moving through the air and it's traveling around my fingers and when the rim is a little bit too big for my hands I'm not concentrating on it it rips out a little faster so that could be something that if the disc is too big for your hands you keep noticing early leases maybe try slower speed it might work for you let's go all right double Bliss to Pro birdie then we got the Destroyer over there so pure eye through and then the second Destroyer where are the other destroy oh way back here oh it didn't lift it all right hole eight we're 337 going to the basket that's straight down there we're gonna actually because it's only 340. I think it's just the speed thing like I just don't like throwing them at that speed I like throwing the 12 speeds so I'm probably throwing them a little bit more like 12 speed so they're going a little bit less far but I want to throw these as Spike Kaiser shots because there is a drop off to the left and we want something to spike into the hill to the right of the basket and just sit because we're going to call OB to the left there but let's just have the box though got some birdies the store's got a birdie we're gonna go the new one first actually try to give it a good rip you know oh it's spiked in by the basket definitely got a little flip up I'm not throwing that wide enough though go in please no those are Parts oh man oh that almost all done okay remember I said to throw it to the right let's like try to do that one time foreign unfortunately but I mean that's why you go will be past the basket you know or right at the basket this one is 360ish over this hill and back to the left so basically want to Crest right where it dips down and have it start to finish so the ballistic I'm going to both throw on anhyzer this one a little less than the first one and then the Destroyer touch Annie and then the echo Destroyer is going to be probably flat at it we are going uphill into a slight headwind so it might make it a little more difficult ballista still have the box probably want that to be a little bit more to the right but that thing is pretty stable these ballista Pros are pretty stable that's much better as long as it gets over that Hill that's really good just crested it but I think that's inside Circle Star Destroyer Ricky baby that was a lot flatter and actually more hyzer goes far that shot with its Echo is really good but that slipped a little perfect little hyzer I think that's gonna be parked so very much right on with the echo Destroyer it is interesting I was expecting there to not be as much of a difference but I just I definitely see the difference between these two ballistas ah my circle two parts haven't been on this is kind of good I like it that's fine um those ones my Miss has been so hyped I'd rather honestly put it into the cage of the pole then juice it for the easy come back here what's the pro still ahead but everything's getting under par that's what you like to see all right this one's interesting it's 345 uphill I want to get another good idea of I was going to say the forehand but I think just a slight Flex backhand at it we have a slight Tailwind so I want to see just if we can throw flexi backhand that Parks the basket with all these drivers this is a shot that I might throw a nine speed I'm actually filming another video don't tell anybody that was yesterday's video that I'm also gonna throw some this on but I think we're gonna start with this Destroyer since we parked it honestly this is going to be flat because I think it'll turn on my hand even in Talon I really like that disc those Jessica Wiese ones go so far they go so freaking far and now this star one since we are in a slight tail I am gonna have to turn this one on my hand a bit a little more flat than turned but it got all the distance I'll tell you what I know people love these blister Pros I threw them a little bit when I first got started didn't have the arm sheet for him I do not like them very much like they're not bad I think it's just I've started to find what I like and it's not ballistic brows that was not turned over at all that was terrible a little dangerous Keep It Low good lap okay these three drivers have a great little spread here Star Destroyer which I honestly threw too flat ah blista my echo baby all right last hole here 4 and 10 feet going with all these babies echo's gonna be hyzer out there 410 easy High there honestly maybe even Spike hyzer because of how glad he is the rest of them we're gonna Flex a little bit just so we can get them to sit by the basket so throw them a little right and I think I don't know who's got the box oh it's gonna be destroyed for sure we're gonna start with the Ricky guy too high in this wind actually maybe not dig a little short no puts it's gooey's Echo bar no I kept it on hyzer skipping oh it died match play gonna have to flex this guy oh that's a really good shot and a little less Flex with the East one yeah that'll hold Keep It Low slight skip slow skip let's go those are great shots all right I just totally forgot to turn this on but there are people behind us on the c-pad with a lot of people play through and I threw seven shots I birdied with the ballista Pros both of them parred with both of the Destroyers I think I'm glad to have thrown these ballista Pros again I'm not looking forward to throwing them another time they definitely feel slightly more stable they feel closer to like Calvin destroyer in terms of like Wing size but they're not as stable as a Calvin Destroyer is so definitely excited for these straws special because I'm more of a Heiser release right now I've been able to throw a little bit more on any as hopefully you've seen today but yeah big shout out to the patreon requested this I'm pretty sure everything's under par if it's not I'll cut in now with another edit and uh do a giveaway for these guys but Echo destroyers go so far support Jessica Wiese and these things bomb these are these are such good discs but really excited to share my bag with you guys tomorrow if you want to check out the last bag of bit it's actually for the insanity which I filmed at the same time as this so my edit is going to be all discombobulated but if you want to pick any of these up I'm still running a sale on them 15 off an insanity and if you're buying a Sandy you'll get 20 off anything else so trying to clear house before my season get started and I start to travel a little bit more see you guys in the next one okay love you bye