The Coaching Session That Got Me Back Over 400' of Distance! Thank you @OverthrowDiscGolf

welcome back to Bonanza disc golf today I have a really great video for you guys where I actually got on a call with Josh from overthrow disc golf this is a coaching session that I paid for because I'm in the final stages of figuring out a lot of stuff about my form so we're going to cover a little bit about grip and spin we're going to talk about using the off arm correctly or how not to use it correctly because it's been hurting me we're going to talk about a little bit of a dip in my form and getting my elbow up as well as a couple other things that I just think would be helpful that I wanted to share in this video with you guys and honestly after this session I went out to a field and through my farthest shots ever they were with some pretty nice new discs Destroyer is actually not Graces sorry everybody the full coaching session which includes some parts that are really helpful but not really important to this conversation that we're going to have today it's posted over on my patreon the sponsor Circle which you can join link down in the description but we're going to go throughout this whole session I'll overlay a lot of form and we'll just talk with Josh about some of the next steps in getting my form from having a solid base to the next level and I think there's still a couple more to come hopefully that we can figure out over the next five or six weeks before I start my tournament season let's say hi to Josh and get started with this form session I got five weeks left at this point five or six weeks before I started playing tournaments there are a couple just things that like I just cannot get right I don't know why but for some reason my grip went to that and so I was very like just putting pressure right in the middle here and so I've been trying to focus on this much more of a grip so it's a little more front loaded not like super squeezing or anything I'm also still like muscling and pulling a little too much I noticed that consistently and the off arm is something I was that's been big that like I I'm not focusing on it's like bad power but it what I notice is my off arm consistently it always comes in like this and I actually looked at form from April of last year which is like two months into playing and it was already kind of doing this thing I noticed that when it comes through it pushes everything down instead of just letting it calm down and just like hang out and not do anything because when it comes to enforcing everything like forward and because I'm not like I haven't fully come through it's forcing everything down as well so I throw into the grounds a little bit more the grip being like this isn't necessarily an issue where the pressure's at like if you're pulling this thing all the way back with your pinky then whatever but that just messed with that I think the grip probably won't be as much of his issue as you think so for the grip issue I actually found something that I think is going to work a little bit better for me I'm messing around with it and my form is actually a little sore but this is the grip that I was using to help myself throw nose down that one day that I was like over 400 a little bit it's actually something I saw in will Schuster Clinic that honestly since my thumb was coming out into the middle here so much the pressure was really right here kind of closer to my pinky just like Josh was saying not to do you want your thumb ideally I think to be right along the rim here so you can put pressure between your pointer finger and your thumb that way you can kind of spin it off the front of the disc I was watching a will Schuster Clinic though and he was talking about his grip is a little unconventional I'm gonna try it for a little bit maybe just to help myself get back to feeling a front load of grip and then just be more comfortable with this because this is pretty simple honestly it's basically the prototypical grip you got your thumb right there you got it right between pinching these fingers right here and then you don't want these to be flat because then you might hurt some 10 but what he was doing is he said he put it right at the heel of his palm right uh to this point underneath his index finger right here not actually above underneath the index finger he curls these fingers down and then since it's down there this finger is a little bit looser on there but it really front loads the grip it forces you to front load it I'm feeling a little bit of strain in my form which you don't necessarily want but I think it's just new muscles that I haven't really used much so something that might be worth trying for you it's something that I'm messing around with uh but maybe not the best grip in the world who knows all I know is will shoot trick is a lot better than me I think the biggest issue with your form is something that you've alluded to is one let me say that uh the timing looks better when you worked with the awning to make sure the full plant happened before the the swing it's mostly looking better there because I was really focused that's the main thing I was focusing on yesterday it normally is still a little bit off um the biggest thing is lacking is a nice extension everything when you throw is like your arms your short Army in a good bit I think and that's because you're trying to throw out to that like 10 o'clock release date like you know the release supposed to come over here um and not like in front of you but this back arm is rotating everything forward like you said which now you have to order if you rotate this forward now you have that kind of shorter lever so getting that back arm to instead of rotate things forward that collapse slides this elbow forward and it doesn't cause the shoulders to open up you're just opening too much and I think it's tied to trying to get this left shoulder obviously you're right you're right the timing is good but after you hit like when you're bringing this in it's rotating as well I kept telling myself because you guys kept saying like don't worry about the offer but I also like I need to make sure that it's not killing like all the rotation that can't happen right they're all like the weight movements like I agree it's not important for like adding power like I'm not trying to use the ad power but it's like hindering what I can't do so that's really what I'm focused on right yeah it can't be hurting you like you if it's hurting you you have to you have to start looking at it first I think have you been doing uh any like one leg drills I haven't yet I've I don't know I've mostly just been in a field throwing and like I watch every single rep and I like take notes from every rep and then throw but I have not been doing a lot of Shadow swings or one like I haven't been doing a lot of drills because I haven't known which drills are the right ones for the problems that I'm needing to fix yeah first on the extension um just to get into the position we're already planted on the right The Backs down here and like you can just go from here and try to keep your chest this way and like absolutely get after it and if you want you can do the old uh P MCB practice hand in the pocket or even like for me I have to like grip this sucker so this one here and you can throw like straight up from here is just getting full extension how should I how should I be focusing on coil should I not think about that too much or just like try to keep my spine neutral yeah don't worry about coil too much with this back leg counter balancing here like if you tried to coil too much you you'd lose it yeah I think keeping this off arm on the outside of my body is going to be like the key for me because even when it comes in it still brings everything forward too much it's almost like once it comes in we start like opening up the chest and so it's yeah like you almost think about spraying the packs or like pinching the shoulder blades so the other kind of Qi thing is when you're coming through and you're having this plant this whole left side like drops into the plant yeah right so you kind of I know Yani talks about like resisting that front leg this is this is one of the things that I'm excited to talk about because I have I've heard a bunch of things and I've still not like had something click with me about getting this to drop without intentionally like forcing it down which I know is not the right movement like when you slide on carpet like you're stopping there and this you don't even think about like your left side um necessarily but if you do think about it suppose those facts when you go to slide you'll feel like this drop here okay right you can feel your left side dropping I think one of the bigger hindrances for me with that is the is just what my off arm does because instead of it being an inactive thing that I'm not supposed to worry about it is an active thing that I've got to worry about one of my questions with that too is I've noticed that when when I'm on a side view my knees tend to so I've actually started one of the things I did yesterday was I noticed that I would still over rotate backwards when I plant when I do my so step when this step is more parallel I still notice that I over rotate a little bit this way even when I come come through Straight And so I've started putting this step here a little bit more like 30 to 45 degrees that when I have my rotation this x step is straight so I can grow very much heel to toe and I think that's one thing that can help because I've noticed that when I'm like this my knee back here this knee tends to even though this knee is this way this knee still tends to be that way as well but I've noticed that all the pros that I've looked at their knees kind of converge on one another and like that is a like this is more tense right here so that when they come through this knee drops and mine doesn't drop it just kind of gets straight and then like maybe towards the end it kind of kicks in mine mine don't tend to do that and that might be because I'm opening up too early but I'm not that's one of the things that I don't know if I should intensely think about that I just noticed that that's a difference between my form and Pro Form right okay so a few things here there are three things don't let me forget there are three things first thing when you slide like this your knee is gonna Bend in this foot resisting has this shift higher than this hip so yeah when that happens it's gonna end if you're walking over like a log or something your hands are opposite each other right and if you start losing balance this way this hand is going to drop and this hand is going to go up and if it's this way then it's they're going to counter each other the difference is is that we're side on like this so instead of hand in hand it's handed foot rotating and your arm is throwing forward in front of you your foot's gonna come back behind you like this um right because it's going to counterbalance you if you're throwing out this way this foot is going to stay back behind you on the opposite side clock face right so your over rotation with the upper body is going to make it impossible for your foot to go to the right place the question there makes so much sense not over rotate with the upper body for you if it's more active you might need to do the fall thing like the whole runoff and actually just have the left arm here do your hit and then actually try to pull maybe even like pull your pants the other way right and just try to rotate this arm into the hit to keep it closed that was the three things yeah I want to talk about the knee naturally bending as a result of the brace and then balanced nature of the arm and the foot and then uh like rotating the arm back it's a process you know it's going to take a while and it does take a while but it also like I mean it's obviously happening it's obviously been working like my form looks so different than it was like a bunch of months ago for my elbow I feel like I'm not getting it out enough all the time like and especially with that dip like I don't exactly know like what's happening or how to correct that because I I'm constantly thinking about okay let's not do that should I just like try to truncate my my coil and like make it not that far because I think one of the things that happens is when I'm coiling and getting that disc in that tipped position like everything will be good I'll step through and then as I coil back like it's good and then because I want to continue coiling at some point I can't coil more so the disc has to tip up to like reach back further and then when that happens then my elbow comes into this slot instead of staying wide at that position I don't know if that's something that will like start to correct itself as I work on my left arm or what but it's just something that I've noticed that uh this is something that Gannon Burr is like talking about my form a little bit is I'll come across a little bit to flatter two in where I could come across either a little more anhyzer or just like not having tipped the disc so it doesn't dip under my elbow like I want my elbow to be above my wrist the whole time on my throw so they can whip out better yeah maybe just try keeping the disc or okay keep the arm bent you don't need a full extension of the arm that's for sure um yeah as long as the shoulders coiling is what gives the distance so this is not as good distance potential as this even though my arm's still here huh is that like why like Emerson Keith can throw pretty far but he is very bad the whole time because he just gets yeah yeah that makes sense I've never understood that that makes sense okay it's all shoulders it's all uh twist should I be like mostly throwing mids and Putters or should I be throwing Airways and drivers or doesn't matter it doesn't matter I don't think um unless you're looking specifically like nose angled and throw the faster stuff I think nose angle is something I need to work on a little bit but I think it'll honestly be corrected as I correct my grip because with my thumb right in the middle there it's still hard for the nose to get down but with the thumb higher it's just it just makes more sense so that's something that I think working on that a little bit is called my nose angle a bit second is how do I not Sky the disc when I let my left side drop because that tends to be my Miss is I tend to like when I do that I'll just I'll like I'll throw a load of high then I I'm wondering if that's because I am coiling very much down up instead of just like with this neutral spine but that's just a quick one as well right wherever you send your arm out like this wherever this motion happens directionally is where this is going to go so I could be over like this and I can have a swing like this but if I get in here and I go out and then finish up super high this is where it's gonna this is the level staying over the shot height adjustments are basically at the hit if you do this hit the same every time if you hit like this it would go higher yeah lower okay that makes sense yeah just working on the head it's gonna be helpful then all right I'm gonna be honest after this coaching session I went and I basically been doing field work every day there were a couple days that I wasn't able to because I had to film videos and it was freezing also field work in the cold sucks because you feel like you're throwing so short mostly because you are I've already showed you that form a little bit from right after my coaching session but I want to break it down real fast because everything looks a lot cleaner I think there's still a problem with my elbow dip but I'm able to get my x-step into a more parallel position and then stride forward instead of out as much there's still a little bit of a stagger there's still a little bit of a window like Joe Freeman talks about but not a lot of a window because I'm not over staggered and then my I wait for my heel to hit before the pull starts to initiate there is a problem here though I think I'm still muscling the disc I'm still pulling a little bit too much instead of letting the disc snap out this is actually something that I've worked on a little bit more in a different session that I changed the way that I held the disc and held my off arm and I'll show you a couple throws from that here as well but but back to that first one when that this does come through my offside does dip down which is really good I'm not really actively pushing for that to happen I'm actively making sure right now that my off arm doesn't interfere with my throw like it has been but I don't really want to add power maybe that's something that a lot of the really big Power Players do but first off I don't necessarily need to be a big Power Player I just want to be a really good golfer throwing hopefully 450 to 500 maybe a little bit more and maybe I need that off arm power to get to that point but I'm going to do everything that I can up until that because I think that's a much more advanced technique if it even does anything at all but then when I throw my brace is honestly able to be pretty good because my foot is ahead of my head and the throw I'm not throwing past my brace so I'm able to collect all that momentum and the biggest thing is my hips stay low to high that's honestly something that as I have been figuring out a little bit more fieldwork I'm still trying to work on getting those hips low to high and I think a little bit of it is that counterbalance I'm still a little too staggered on some more recent field work that I've been doing but this is all a process like I said a little bit earlier and the more more I'm able to figure it out the more I'm able to get to a field and throw good throws or better throws the better the form will get over time and then not only on the field but also on the course which is what I'm about to go and head out and do real quick though here are some of my bigger throws I had a day where I went out and was consistently over 400 feet with my distance drivers which I was very happy with a couple throws maybe slightly downhill we're in the 470s the 480s which felt super good but here I was really trying to make sure that my body was getting my arm into this position and then I was able to throw out so I was letting it be much more of a tip of the Whip and just letting it whip the disc instead of me trying to actively muscle and throw it which is something that I'm trying to figure out what the right ratio of telling myself to throw it telling myself to tip to with the tip tell myself to do that I'm trying to figure out what the right ratio is for me in that I appreciate you guys coming along for the journey if you want to subscribe to the channel That would mean a lot a lot of my actual field work like just straight up sessions that I do and talk through them a little bit are going to go over 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